The Discipline of Geography

topic posted Mon, March 1, 2004 - 9:38 AM by  Moco
What does the quantitative revolution and Geography have in common or not have in common? Why where Geography departments in schools removed in history? and what has changed since then?
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Moco
  • Re: The Discipline of Geography

    Mon, March 1, 2004 - 2:45 PM
    In a nutshell, the Quantitative Revolution in Geography took place as a response to criticism both within and outside the discipline that geography was not scientific enough. Further a landmark school, Harvard, ended its geography department, which brought alarm to many within the discipline. The response was to make geography more of a science. As far as I know, it was American geography that took the largest beating in terms of departments closing or merging. The UK seems to have the fortune that geography is considered as important as physics, etc. As for the discipline today, a common perception is the “specialization” of the discipline and of course the impact of Geographic Information Systems (GIS). The latter, in particular, is definitely breathing new life into many departments as they begin to offer certifications in GIS. Also, a key geography department, PENN State, is now offering GIS certification via distance learning.

    The AAG conference (100th) this month has a series of prominent geographers speaking on the future of geography. Perhaps, I will come back with more insight. Until then, I hope this helps!
    • Re: The Discipline of Geography

      Mon, March 1, 2004 - 4:14 PM
      What is geographic thought and why geography is different from other disciplines. Is it just the "why in where". Is it just the "spatial and temporal aspects" that make it different or am I missing something.

      What is truly different about geography and what should you know as a "geographer"
      • Re: The Discipline of Geography

        Mon, March 1, 2004 - 8:15 PM
        The issue that concerns me is that geography as a discipline continues to be questioned by the academic community while research within the field of geography and within sub fields continues to thrive. Geography prevails with its pragmatic applications and its dynamic interdisciplinary discourse. It's that very same synthesis that gives geography its distinctive identity. We as geographers must continue to focus on interdisciplinary synthesis as well as emphasize specialization to insure the life of geography within our major universities.
        • Re: The Discipline of Geography

          Mon, March 1, 2004 - 8:25 PM
          My Geography department was housed in the School of Business and Public Affairs, and what make matters, I received a BA instead of a BS. I think geography as a discipline is truly multifaceted. Pending on your focus, Geography is a science – especially when you’re geared towards mapping. Mapping can be very precise, and too many people trivialize what work goes into creating accurate data.

          It’s frustrating that the general public assumes the only dimension in the field of Geography is strictly knowing political boundaries on a pretty wall map.

          Here’s a fun little quote from Albert Einstein…
          "As a young man, my fondest dream was to become a geographer. However, while working in the customs office I thought deeply about the matter and concluded that it was far too difficult a subject. With some reluctance, I then turned to physics as a substitute."
        • Re: The Discipline of Geography

          Mon, March 1, 2004 - 8:37 PM
          Why the insecurity amoung geographers? It seems it comes most from those who contributed the most to the discipline. Geograpahy is and should be a firm independant discipline that does not need to borrow any prestige or scientism from other disciplines. I am reminded of one of my heros John Frasier Hart who said " We must stand on our own two feet as geographers"
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            Tue, March 2, 2004 - 5:13 AM
            I think I read that statement in one of Hart's article. Wasn't it in an address? Anyhow, I think the discipline should take advantage of the popular interest in geospatial technologies. I think much of the scientism/prestige concerns are just a bit of post-quant backlash. I think specialization and geotechnologies will help the discipline reemerge. One of my favorite news nuggets was the fact that Jared Diamond who wrote "Guns, Germs, and Steel" finally realized he was actually a geographer and joined a dept. as such.
          • Re: The Discipline of Geography

            Tue, March 2, 2004 - 1:19 PM
            Of course, as a good postmodern social and cultural geographer doing qualitative (mainly ethnographic) research, I view all this 'science' talk with a little suspicion... ;-)
        • Re: The Discipline of Geography

          Tue, March 2, 2004 - 4:50 AM
          I use to divide my own identity as a geographer/cartographer. Now I opt for billing myself as just a geographer. I think some of the difficulty lies in specialization and the interdisciplinary tendencies. I think we have to be geographers first and specialists second.
  • Re: The Discipline of Geography

    Tue, March 2, 2004 - 1:28 PM
    In the UK there have been a number of departmental closures over the last decade. A number of departments in smaller, specialist institutions seem to have been taken over by larger departments in nearby multi-faculty universities. There have also been a number of cases where geography departments have merged with other subject areas within their universities.

    For example, my department at King's College London 'merged' (i.e. took over) the Geography Dept from the University of London's School of Oriental & African Studies a couple of years ago and is in the process of swallowing up the KCL environmental scientists.

    At Manchester, I think Geography is in the process of merging with Sociology, Anthropology and Planning (or something like that) into a new mega-department.

    This is mainly because the restructuring of the high school national curriculum over the last decade has meant that fewer and fewer students are studying geography over the age of 14 and so there are less people around who consider applying for a university degree in the subject.
    • Re: The Discipline of Geography

      Wed, March 3, 2004 - 6:49 PM
      In the US, the lack of geographic understanding among secondary school graduates is now being realized. I went to one of my kids elementary class to teach the kids about mapping. I was surprised how much they knew before I got there. I am happy to report that the curriculm is changing compared to when I was a kid. I don't think I even had a geography class until college. At the university level, geography seems to still be considered an odd major but when you mention GIS it seems ears perk up. Anyhow, the majority of department are merged with other disciplines. At my universtiy, Georgia State, we share the dept with Anthropology.

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